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guvnagrover RANK: Time Lord Commoner
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:25 pm | |
| - Ronpur wrote:
- I heard someone talking as we left that there was no way Shaw could have been walking just after a c-section. But this is future med tech and we don't really know how the healed her muscles. I was walking 12 hours after my stomach surgery.
Plus she kept injecting her self with meds every few minutes from what I saw. Hoping the extra 20 minutes on the video release will help in some aspects. |
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:39 pm | |
| just watched it. while i enjoyed it, i found it vauge and unable to live up to the hype it generated. avengers is still the best movie of the summer so far!! |
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:49 pm | |
| Can anyone answer these questions? - Spoiler:
1. Why was the android homicidal right from the beginning? He was there to locate the "engineer" so the old guy could have a chat about extending his life. That's why he opened doors in the alien ship wthout hesitation. Why did he then infect the lead male? Why kill off crew mates if your goal is to set up an appointment for your dad with God? 2. After trying to dispose of Dr. Shaw, she escapes, has a C-section, and bumps into the old Weyland. Now instead of trying to kill her or grow aliens inside of her, everyone is all excited about a field trip to talk to the aliens and Dr. Shaw should really come along. What? 3. Our 180 year old employer that everyone thinks is dead was really hiding on our spaceship the whole time. No one seems to care that the richest man on earth just suddenly shows up. 4. The android wants to kill his creator, the old Weyland, and find out about freedom. To this end he kills lots of crewmates and obeys the old guy's orders without trying to trick him. Once the old dude is dead and the andriod's head is knocked off he decides Dr. Shaw may be a good buddy to hang out with for eternity. And Dr. Shaw decides to trust him?!? 5. Why did Charlize Theron come along again? Is the old dude really her biological father or just a father figure? She hates being there, would apparently be CEO at the family company if she stayed behind, and is overly cautious by nature (thus the med pod). Other than having terrible "daddy issues" is there a reason she came on the trip? 6. Lots of people die, but the captain isn't too interesting in getting the heck off the planet. With not much explanation he just decides to take these stranger's word and commit suicide to save the human race. Even if he's a really nice guy, what evidence did he have to do this?
I only saw the movie once, at a 12:15am showing, so maybe I missed some stuff. The guy next to me was snoring quite loudly for about 20 minutes near the middle. Perhaps I might of dozed off for a short nap? Then there are bigger "questions" that the director wants us to ponder. - Spoiler:
We are our own god, but after meeting ourselves some people still like to hold on to their cross jewelry. Our god apparently gave his life (by dissolving in the ancient oceans of earth), but now would really just like to grow terrible alien creatures to destroy us (in an overly complicated fashion that relies on some form of evolution). Not quite sure what Ridley Scott would like to sell us at this point, and I'm not sure if he understands what his own issues with God are. I left with the impression that he decided "I want to make a huge statement on the nature of god and man, but after re-writes and studio previews/edits this is what was left".
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| | | guvnagrover RANK: Time Lord Commoner
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:33 pm | |
| - squishy wrote:
- Can anyone answer these questions?
- Spoiler:
1. Why was the android homicidal right from the beginning? He was there to locate the "engineer" so the old guy could have a chat about extending his life. That's why he opened doors in the alien ship wthout hesitation. Why did he then infect the lead male? Why kill off crew mates if your goal is to set up an appointment for your dad with God? 2. After trying to dispose of Dr. Shaw, she escapes, has a C-section, and bumps into the old Weyland. Now instead of trying to kill her or grow aliens inside of her, everyone is all excited about a field trip to talk to the aliens and Dr. Shaw should really come along. What? 3. Our 180 year old employer that everyone thinks is dead was really hiding on our spaceship the whole time. No one seems to care that the richest man on earth just suddenly shows up. 4. The android wants to kill his creator, the old Weyland, and find out about freedom. To this end he kills lots of crewmates and obeys the old guy's orders without trying to trick him. Once the old dude is dead and the andriod's head is knocked off he decides Dr. Shaw may be a good buddy to hang out with for eternity. And Dr. Shaw decides to trust him?!? 5. Why did Charlize Theron come along again? Is the old dude really her biological father or just a father figure? She hates being there, would apparently be CEO at the family company if she stayed behind, and is overly cautious by nature (thus the med pod). Other than having terrible "daddy issues" is there a reason she came on the trip? 6. Lots of people die, but the captain isn't too interesting in getting the heck off the planet. With not much explanation he just decides to take these stranger's word and commit suicide to save the human race. Even if he's a really nice guy, what evidence did he have to do this? I only saw the movie once, at a 12:15am showing, so maybe I missed some stuff. The guy next to me was snoring quite loudly for about 20 minutes near the middle. Perhaps I might of dozed off for a short nap?
Then there are bigger "questions" that the director wants us to ponder. - Spoiler:
We are our own god, but after meeting ourselves some people still like to hold on to their cross jewelry. Our god apparently gave his life (by dissolving in the ancient oceans of earth), but now would really just like to grow terrible alien creatures to destroy us (in an overly complicated fashion that relies on some form of evolution). Not quite sure what Ridley Scott would like to sell us at this point, and I'm not sure if he understands what his own issues with God are. I left with the impression that he decided "I want to make a huge statement on the nature of god and man, but after re-writes and studio previews/edits this is what was left".
Hmm...I will try: - Spoiler:
1. I don't recall the android being homicidal at all. He infected the male lead based on Weyland's orders to do so. 2. I don't believe he was trying to dispose of Shaw; the plan was to throw her in cryosleep so they could take the organism back to Earth. However, what I don't understand is that they seem to 'forget' about the little squid when she walks into the room where Weyland was. Like you said, they were all about the field trip...even David didn't ask what became of the baby squid - it was like "you are quite resourceful" and that was it. Weird. 3. I agree - no one gave a second thought that this ancient dude was secretly onboard...it was like "la-dee-da...". Again, weird. 4. I don't believe that the android wanted to kill his creator...at least I didn't get that impression. I don't recall him killing off crewmates...they were killed either by the mutated Fifield, the Hammerpeed, Vickers, the awakened engineer, crashing the Prometheus into the Juggernaut ship or getting squashed by the Juggernaut when it crashed and rolled on the ground. 5. She apparently was Weyland's biological daughter. She obviously knew that daddy was there, so I guess she decided to go along to ensure that he survived the trip...however, I think she was glad that he got killed. I also think she hated David b/c Weyland treats him like a son. 6. The Captain understood what he had to do. He was all for leaving the planet, but when it was discovered that the Juggernaut ship had thousands of those ampule containers and was heading towards Earth to "wipe it out" he had to do what he must in order to prevent that from happening. He saw the containers on the ship via video feed, knew that they were bad news.
This is only what I gathered from watching the flick and reading various posts on other boards. |
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:47 pm | |
| - The 3rd wrote:
- Spoiler:
1. I don't recall the android being homicidal at all. He infected the male lead based on Weyland's orders to do so. 2. I don't believe he was trying to dispose of Shaw; the plan was to throw her in cryosleep so they could take the organism back to Earth. However, what I don't understand is that they seem to 'forget' about the little squid when she walks into the room where Weyland was. Like you said, they were all about the field trip...even David didn't ask what became of the baby squid - it was like "you are quite resourceful" and that was it. Weird. 3. I agree - no one gave a second thought that this ancient dude was secretly onboard...it was like "la-dee-da...". Again, weird. 4. I don't believe that the android wanted to kill his creator...at least I didn't get that impression. I don't recall him killing off crewmates...they were killed either by the mutated Fifield, the Hammerpeed, Vickers, the awakened engineer, crashing the Prometheus into the Juggernaut ship or getting squashed by the Juggernaut when it crashed and rolled on the ground. 5. She apparently was Weyland's biological daughter. She obviously knew that daddy was there, so I guess she decided to go along to ensure that he survived the trip...however, I think she was glad that he got killed. I also think she hated David b/c Weyland treats him like a son. 6. The Captain understood what he had to do. He was all for leaving the planet, but when it was discovered that the Juggernaut ship had thousands of those ampule containers and was heading towards Earth to "wipe it out" he had to do what he must in order to prevent that from happening. He saw the containers on the ship via video feed, knew that they were bad news.
- Spoiler:
2 and 3 are perfect examples of things I hope are addressed in the extra footage on the video release. We don't see it mentioned by anyone. There's no "oh I almost forgot to mention, I just gave birth to an alien"... orrrr something of the sort...
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| | | guvnagrover RANK: Time Lord Commoner
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:50 pm | |
| - kcooper76 wrote:
- The 3rd wrote:
- Spoiler:
1. I don't recall the android being homicidal at all. He infected the male lead based on Weyland's orders to do so. 2. I don't believe he was trying to dispose of Shaw; the plan was to throw her in cryosleep so they could take the organism back to Earth. However, what I don't understand is that they seem to 'forget' about the little squid when she walks into the room where Weyland was. Like you said, they were all about the field trip...even David didn't ask what became of the baby squid - it was like "you are quite resourceful" and that was it. Weird. 3. I agree - no one gave a second thought that this ancient dude was secretly onboard...it was like "la-dee-da...". Again, weird. 4. I don't believe that the android wanted to kill his creator...at least I didn't get that impression. I don't recall him killing off crewmates...they were killed either by the mutated Fifield, the Hammerpeed, Vickers, the awakened engineer, crashing the Prometheus into the Juggernaut ship or getting squashed by the Juggernaut when it crashed and rolled on the ground. 5. She apparently was Weyland's biological daughter. She obviously knew that daddy was there, so I guess she decided to go along to ensure that he survived the trip...however, I think she was glad that he got killed. I also think she hated David b/c Weyland treats him like a son. 6. The Captain understood what he had to do. He was all for leaving the planet, but when it was discovered that the Juggernaut ship had thousands of those ampule containers and was heading towards Earth to "wipe it out" he had to do what he must in order to prevent that from happening. He saw the containers on the ship via video feed, knew that they were bad news.
- Spoiler:
2 and 3 are perfect examples of things I hope are addressed in the extra footage on the video release. We don't see it mentioned by anyone. There's no "oh I almost forgot to mention, I just gave birth to an alien"... orrrr something of the sort...
Yeah exactly... - Spoiler:
if not, then both 2 and 3 are the biggest plot holes in motion picture history...
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| | | Ronpur RANK: The Doctor
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:20 pm | |
| How the heck was David's head still on the floor in the same place after that ship crash??? |
| | | guvnagrover RANK: Time Lord Commoner
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:21 pm | |
| - Ronpur wrote:
- How the heck was David's head still on the floor in the same place after that ship crash???
LOL...um...maybe the milky substance was also sticky like glue ? |
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:23 pm | |
| - The 3rd wrote:
- Ronpur wrote:
- How the heck was David's head still on the floor in the same place after that ship crash???
LOL...um...maybe the milky substance was also sticky like glue ? Maybe. Not sure why that just struck me as odd! |
| | | guvnagrover RANK: Time Lord Commoner
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:27 pm | |
| - Ronpur wrote:
- The 3rd wrote:
- Ronpur wrote:
- How the heck was David's head still on the floor in the same place after that ship crash???
LOL...um...maybe the milky substance was also sticky like glue ? Maybe. Not sure why that just struck me as odd! Nah, I think it was an oversight...I would have thought that his head would have been tossed around all over the place... |
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:22 pm | |
| - Ronpur wrote:
- The 3rd wrote:
- Ronpur wrote:
- How the heck was David's head still on the floor in the same place after that ship crash???
LOL...um...maybe the milky substance was also sticky like glue ? Maybe. Not sure why that just struck me as odd! i had the same thought. lol. my in story guess or little white lie i told my self, was maybe the gravity and atmosphere in the ship was really tight! lol best guess. although i like the goo theory better! over all, i think if i had been handed this movie without knowing about it and just watched it then i would have been pretty satisfied, but i think i got to hyped up for it and my expectations were too high. although the flip side of that coin is i had my expectations up just as much if not more for avengers and it blew me away sooooooo, i got real kinda mixed feelings about this movie. lol |
| | | squishy RANK: Time Lord Council Guard
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:18 pm | |
| [quote="The 3rd"] - squishy wrote:
- Can anyone answer these questions?Hmm...I will try:
- Spoiler:
1. I don't recall the android being homicidal at all. He infected the male lead based on Weyland's orders to do so. 5. She apparently was Weyland's biological daughter. She obviously knew that daddy was there, so I guess she decided to go along to ensure that he survived the trip...however, I think she was glad that he got killed. I also think she hated David b/c Weyland treats him like a son. 6. The Captain understood what he had to do. He was all for leaving the planet, but when it was discovered that the Juggernaut ship had thousands of those ampule containers and was heading towards Earth to "wipe it out" he had to do what he must in order to prevent that from happening. He saw the containers on the ship via video feed, knew that they were bad news.
This is only what I gathered from watching the flick and reading various posts on other boards. Oh bugger, this quoting spoilers within quotes is getting a bit difficult to navigate. But let's try: - Spoiler:
1. What did David think would happen if he infected the male lead? I'd assume that it would sicken or kill the dude. So maybe he wasn't homicidal, but at least he didn't respect the life of others. 5. I'll agree that Charlize was very envious of the andriod. And she didn't seem to mind if her dad got killed. Never really got the feeling that she either loved him or hated him enough to come along on such a long spaceflight. I'm still lost as to her motivations. (Although if you ask her a girl if she's a robot she'll evidently make sweet, sweet love to you. Got to remember that one). 6. But the captain didn't try to leave prior to the ending. I'd assume he'd be arguing with Charlize (or Weyland) that this was too much and they had to go. But he stuck around. And I'm not sure if he (or any of the surviving crew other than David) ever figured out there was something evil in the containers. Dr. Shaw spoke of biological weapons, but how did they know where they came from?
Still just trying to figure out if this was the greatest film ever and I'm thick, or if someone forgot to make sure it still all made sense after they cut 30 minutes from it. |
| | | guvnagrover RANK: Time Lord Commoner
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:41 pm | |
| - squishy wrote:
Oh bugger, this quoting spoilers within quotes is getting a bit difficult to navigate. But let's try:
- Spoiler:
1. What did David think would happen if he infected the male lead? I'd assume that it would sicken or kill the dude. So maybe he wasn't homicidal, but at least he didn't respect the life of others. 5. I'll agree that Charlize was very envious of the andriod. And she didn't seem to mind if her dad got killed. Never really got the feeling that she either loved him or hated him enough to come along on such a long spaceflight. I'm still lost as to her motivations. (Although if you ask her a girl if she's a robot she'll evidently make sweet, sweet love to you. Got to remember that one). 6. But the captain didn't try to leave prior to the ending. I'd assume he'd be arguing with Charlize (or Weyland) that this was too much and they had to go. But he stuck around. And I'm not sure if he (or any of the surviving crew other than David) ever figured out there was something evil in the containers. Dr. Shaw spoke of biological weapons, but how did they know where they came from? Still just trying to figure out if this was the greatest film ever and I'm thick, or if someone forgot to make sure it still all made sense after they cut 30 minutes from it. Hmm... - Spoiler:
1. I think David just does what David is told (for the most part). Weyland didn't care what the outcome would be, just the results. So, David was just doing what Weyland told him to do. With him being a droid, I guess he has no remorse or care for the most part. 5. I think Vickers just falls under the old 'daddy issues' problem - always looking for approval, never getting it, so she obviously becomes bitter. Yeah, I gotta remember asking girls if they are robots as well - apparently than maneuver works . 6. Dunno what to tell you about the captain. I just thought that he figured out that place was heck and wanted to get off the planet.
I need to watch the flick again so I can pick up on some things that I missed the first go-round. Hopefully the extra 20-30 minutes will help with the characterization issues, but I guess we won't find that out until the DVD/Blu-Ray release. To me, this just seems to be a springboard for sequels... I think it's interesting how some people state that a sequel was shot back to back with this one and will be out soon...I'm not sold on that rumor. |
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:33 pm | |
| - The 3rd wrote:
I need to watch the flick again so I can pick up on some things that I missed the first go-round. Hopefully the extra 20-30 minutes will help with the characterization issues, but I guess we won't find that out until the DVD/Blu-Ray release. To me, this just seems to be a springboard for sequels...
I think it's interesting how some people state that a sequel was shot back to back with this one and will be out soon...I'm not sold on that rumor. I agree. Hopefully another movie and the extended cut of this one will make sense of it all. Otherwise it just looks like a movie editted by committee who really didn't proofread the whole thing when they were finished. Leaving big questions unanswered like - Spoiler:
Shaw taking another ship and leaving
make for sequal springboards. Having poor characterization and illogical motivations just makes for a mess. And that reminds me, if there were - Spoiler:
multiple engineer ships then why not any more living engineers? There were 4 or 6 of those big dirt mounds when they came in for a landing. Each one is presumably a buried ship. And our heros got lucky enough to pick the only one that still had a cryo-frozen engineer?
But I'll reiterate that I think the photography of this movie was very good. Not so much the plot. But it was mildly exciting and somewhat suspenseful in places. |
| | | guvnagrover RANK: Time Lord Commoner
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:49 pm | |
| - squishy wrote:
I agree. Hopefully another movie and the extended cut of this one will make sense of it all. Otherwise it just looks like a movie editted by committee who really didn't proofread the whole thing when they were finished.
Leaving big questions unanswered like - Spoiler:
Shaw taking another ship and leaving make for sequal springboards. Having poor characterization and illogical motivations just makes for a mess.
And that reminds me, if there were - Spoiler:
multiple engineer ships then why not any more living engineers? There were 4 or 6 of those big dirt mounds when they came in for a landing. Each one is presumably a buried ship. And our heros got lucky enough to pick the only one that still had a cryo-frozen engineer?
But I'll reiterate that I think the photography of this movie was very good. Not so much the plot. But it was mildly exciting and somewhat suspenseful in places. Yeah, I don't get: - Spoiler:
Why Shaw took off to go to the engineer homeworld...I mean, if their goal was to wipe out Earth what does she think they will do once she gets there? Bake her cookies?
I wondered the same thing regarding other living engineers - unless they all came to that one ship and are part of the dead body pile up...but who knows...
I still like the movie...plotholes and all lol. I agree, the photography was very good and it was nice to see a movie where they actually construct huge sets instead of relying wholly on CG. |
| | | Ronpur RANK: The Doctor
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:55 pm | |
| I just have to wonder if Scott likes to just leave his movies with a lot of unanswered questions. Now that I think of it, Alien left a few and so did Blade Runner (which I am sorry, but I did not enjoy at all)
He maybe just trying to be more mysterious.
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| Subject: Re: Prometheus (ALIEN prequel) Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:09 pm | |
| - Ronpur wrote:
- I just have to wonder if Scott likes to just leave his movies with a lot of unanswered questions. Now that I think of it, Alien left a few and so did Blade Runner (which I am sorry, but I did not enjoy at all)
He maybe just trying to be more mysterious.
What's interesting too, is that he has gone back and re-edited them as 'Director's Cuts'. Did that with Legend as well... |
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