Star Trek Into Darkness Discussion

Rust wrote:

My problem with Star Trek V comes from the fact the crew - like Chekov and Sulu - betray Kirk at the drop of a hat after having "their pain taken away".

These are the same folks that threw their careers away to go after Spock with Kirk in Star Trek III.

I didn't buy it.

Well, Sybok managed to get an entire group of followers to capture the representatives of Nimbus 3.

Rust wrote:

My problem with Star Trek V comes from the fact the crew - like Chekov and Sulu - betray Kirk at the drop of a hat after having "their pain taken away".

These are the same folks that threw their careers away to go after Spock with Kirk in Star Trek III.

I didn't buy it.

Well...it was more than just taking away their pain...it was brainwashing and mind control.

We have a "General Star Trek" thread now & y'all are still discussing classic Trek in the one for the reboot's sequel?!

SeaDevil wrote:

Rust wrote:

My problem with Star Trek V comes from the fact the crew - like Chekov and Sulu - betray Kirk at the drop of a hat after having "their pain taken away".

These are the same folks that threw their careers away to go after Spock with Kirk in Star Trek III.

I didn't buy it.

Well...it was more than just taking away their pain...it was brainwashing and mind control.

If that's true, then why didn't it work on McCoy and Spock?

The answer? Nimoy and Kelly refused to the point and threatening to walk if Shatner didn't change the script. The original draft had Kirk as "One Man, Alone" with the rest of the crew turned against him in Sybok's quest. Nimoy and Kelly wouldn't have it, and thus we're presented with a quandry of if those two couldn't be brainwashed, then why everyone else?

Chekov more then anyone showed the fallout of Part IV. He was the first officer aboard the Reliant in Part II, and as far as we know through the films, he was never anything other then a tactical officer for the remainder of his career. Heck, Sulu got a command - and the plum command of the fleet to boot - before Chekov.

But Chekov never showed any bitterness over this fact - a willingly paid for price to help his shipmates.

I'm sorry, if the brainwashing can be combated through loyalty, then Sybok shouldn't have managed to corral any of the officers aboard Enterprise.

Evil Monkey Pope wrote:

We have a "General Star Trek" thread now & y'all are still discussing classic Trek in the one for the reboot's sequel?!

Believe me, talking about TOS is safer then getting onto my feelings of the rest of the franchise.

But if you want the condensed version...

The Next Generation: Fun, but flawed and beyond the stand out episodes and personal favorites, nigh unwatchable now-a-days.

Deep Space Nine: Poor Man's Babylon 5. Or, for those familiar with their movies, The Asylum's Babylon 5 (Asylum being the makers of such fine products as Metal Man, Transmorphers, and Snakes on a Train)

Voyager: How do you make a series about being stuck seventy years away from friendly territory boring and mundane. And hey, Janeway brought the ship back with nary a scratch on her. I remember when the show started, expending Photon Torpedoes was a major tactical decision since they only had twenty something aboard. I think they went through that many in the first season alone.

Enterprise: Season One was boring. Seasons Two and Three were a mess. Season Four was a fanwanky mess.

I meant why are you still discussing non-reboot stuff here when a non-reboot thread was set up to get this topic beack on the reboot track?

See, Evil Monkey Pope gets it. I wanted to kind of separate the JJ Trek news/discussion from the Prime Universe Trek discussion.

Quite right.

This thread should be for the sequel to the JJ Abrams Star Trek movie.

Please continue all other Star Trek topics to the General Star Trek Discussion thread...

https://whona.forumotion.com/t8217-general-star-trek-thread

SeaDevil, Moderator

All Hail the M-5 Multitronic moderator unit!

I'm disappointed that Deep Roy isn't returning as Keenser. He added some visual diversity to the crew of typical humanoids.

Whoosier Whovian wrote:

All Hail the M-5 Multitronic moderator unit!

"Sterilize...STERILIZE!!!"

Speaking of the M-5. Rumor has it that Noel Clarke is in fact playing Dr. Richard Daystrom. Could be interesting. We still don't know who Benedict is playing either. Friggin' secrecy.

SeaDevil wrote:

Whoosier Whovian wrote:

All Hail the M-5 Multitronic moderator unit!

"Sterilize...STERILIZE!!!"

Um, wrong meglomaniacal machine. You are definitly NOT a trekkie!

Whoosier Whovian wrote:

SeaDevil wrote:

Whoosier Whovian wrote:

All Hail the M-5 Multitronic moderator unit!

"Sterilize...STERILIZE!!!"

Um, wrong meglomaniacal machine. You are definitly NOT a trekkie!

Fail. Gotta turn in the comm badge...

Whoosier Whovian wrote:

SeaDevil wrote:

Whoosier Whovian wrote:

All Hail the M-5 Multitronic moderator unit!

"Sterilize...STERILIZE!!!"

Um, wrong meglomaniacal machine. You are definitly NOT a trekkie!

Wow...how embarrassingly wrong... "I must be getting senile..."

Still...NOMAD might be a better comparison...

http://io9.com/5963513/first-official-synopsis-for-star-trek-into-darkness-includes-major-villain-hints

...how does one "detonate" a fleet? Seriously, that synopsis is just words, without any sort of context.

What *might* be gleaned from it:

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When the crew of the Enterprise is called back home, they find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization

Section 31 is a possibility here.

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has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for

*twitch*

Beyond being the kind of engrish I expect out of phishing e-mails, if this leads to another "the fleet is destroyed" sort of things I will be sorely disappointed. At the same time, it would explain why the Enterprise is always the only ship in the quadrant.

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leaving our world in a state of crisis.

It didn't work in the Xindi Arc, it's not going to work here. When are writers going to realize Earth should not be the center of the Star Trek universe? You've got Faster Than Light travel...Sol could nova and Humanity should be scattered across countless worlds. The reason the Mass Effect series managed to do a "Earth in Peril" storyline is because that was one small battlefield across the entire galaxy and you got to see other home worlds being harvested.

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With a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads a manhunt to a war-zone world to capture a one man weapon of mass destruction.

What the heck is a "War-zone world"? Are M Class Planets so cheap you can afford to turn it into a giant paintball court?

Also "one man weapon of mass destruction". Either he's chasing Goku, or this is some seriously flowery language on par with a high school fan fic. If the Section 31 idea above is correct, it's possible its a agent that has undergone genetic engineering - possibly even a full blown genetic superman specifically created by Section 31.

That or Benedict Cumberbatch is playing the Human Bomb.

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As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death,

A 13 year old wrote this, I'm fairly sure. I'm a fan of chess, but the real interesting games are never "epic".

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love will be challenged,

Aww. Uhura and Spock have a fight.

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friendships will be torn apart,

Aww. Kirk and McCoy have a disagreement.

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and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew.

Kali Ma! Wait, no.

Though that along with Kirk having a "personal score to settle", seems to be pretty clear Kirk's mom dies in this one. Probably a victim of the Sand People.


So all I can glean from this really is they're going to be borrowing heavily the themes from the episode Obsession with Cumberbatch playing the part of the Blood Drinking Cloud Monster.

I smell snooze fest.

Have to agree. Unless the Trailers really "wow" me, this sounds like a phoned in sequel.

Personally, I wish they'd find the balance they had back in Star Trek VI. A action-thriller for the general movie crowd, but with enough character moments and in-depth look at the universe to sate the fan's appetite for geekitude. For myself, Star Trek VI is when the movie franchise peaked.

Rust wrote:

Have to agree. Unless the Trailers really "wow" me, this sounds like a phoned in sequel.

Personally, I wish they'd find the balance they had back in Star Trek VI. A action-thriller for the general movie crowd, but with enough character moments and in-depth look at the universe to sate the fan's appetite for geekitude. For myself, Star Trek VI is when the movie franchise peaked.

True, NOTHING beats a Shakespeare quoting Klingon as a bad guy! And Sulu's Fly her apart quote!


I hope this is a badly written synopsis and not a badly written movie. But I have never enjoyed anything JJ has done, so I am going with the second choice.

Meanwhile,time to dig out my Star Trek:Titan books and see what Captain Riker is doing.

I'm not going to put to much thought into whether this will be good or bad based on the synopsis, frankly.

But still, Rust's breakdown of the synopsis is good stuff.

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has detonated the fleet and everything it stands for

Rust wrote:

...how does one "detonate" a fleet? Seriously, that synopsis is just words, without any sort of context.

I remember a Trek book I read where a group of evil aliens secretly planted nanobots at various starbases, and over the course of a year, they spread to almost the entire fleet. They were designed to de-stabilize the dylithium crystals, destroying the ships. They were so small there was no way to detect them, and the damage they did was almost undetectable as well. Perhaps if Cumberbatch's character is in a position like a Section 31 leader, he presumably could have sabotaged large numbers of ships.

There definitely have been some darker undercurrents of Starfleet secrets in the comics line. Admiral Pike has been warned in no uncertain terms that Kirk is wandering too close to certain things that must remain secret. And Scotty has mentioned several times that the Enterprise is way overdue for engine maintenance. Maybe their busy schedule will save them from whatever calamity will 'detonate' the other ships.